The things you have to do
-get the national dex
-get a kanto starter
-get the national dex
-get a kanto starter
How To Get The Red Orb On Soul Silver Without Having To Complete The Johto Pokedex?
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You have to get the national poke Dex and then go to Mt. Silvers peak to fight red. BEWARE he is the toughest trainer you'll ever face. After that go to Mr. Pokemon and he will give you the red orb.